
Executive Advisor on Leadership in Complex Organizations & Host of Messy with Daniel Atlin

Coachful Coaching Leadership Podcast
July 6, 2026
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How do you lead when you don't have direct control?
Daniel Atlin interviewed 25 university presidents across the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to answer that question. What he found applies to any leader in a complex, multi-stakeholder organization: the ones who thrive don't have better plans. They ask more questions, move slower, and bring people with them. The ones who revert to command-and-control get stuck.
In this episode:
What sense-making means and why it beats strategic planning in uncertain environmentsInner vs. outer sense-making, and why you can't do one without the otherThe three habits that separated presidents who navigated disruption from those who got stuckWhy your job is not your identity, and Daniel's own admission about figuring that out too lateThe power of the pause, the balcony view, and two skills leaders risk losing in the age of AIDaniel Atlin is a strategic advisor and executive coach with 30 years in senior roles across Canada's post-secondary, cooperative, and government sectors. He hosts the Messy Podcast and teaches at the University of Guelph.
Full show notes and transcript: https://coachfulcoaching.com/coachful-coaching-leadership-podcast/how-to-lead-without-control
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