Masati: Near-Death Experiences, Trauma, Coherence & Exponential Intelligence | AEM #149

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Okay, welcome to episode 149 of an evolving man podcast. Today I'm excited to be speaking to Msati. Msati is a visionary thought leader and the CEO and founder of exponential intelligence science specializing in dimensional consciousness and human advancement. After three near-death experiences, he returned with insights far beyond the traditional neuroscience or performance psychology. Over the past 14 years, he has shared his work with audiences in over a 100 countries, helping individuals shift their core frequency to create rapid, measurable change in health, relationships, and resilience.

Welcome, Masati. Uh, thank you so much, Bruce. So, how I'd love to begin the podcast is for you to ask how you got into the work you now do. What's some of your journey, please? Uh well, you know, Pierce, when I was a young um you know, really young, uh late teens, you know, early 20s, uh you know, a lot of people, a lot of kids at that age would be partying and all that. Uh I was actually trying to find out what life was about. uh because you know at that stage late teens you know uh we go through this process of do I want to turn into my parents or you know I do I want to be me and that's where a lot of you know young young people start to separate or try to move away from their parents thinking physic a physical move away or not doing what their parents did uh is going to get them to be different but then unfortunately by the mid20s you know what happens is we turn most people turn into their parents, right?

Because they didn't move, they didn't um delete or change edit the you know frequency structure or say genetic patterns. So at a young age maybe I knew that intuitively and uh I'm going gosh what is you know what's the meaning of life you know because I wanted to have you know a happy life a fantastic life just like Einstein what's that equation of you know what life is about so uh and that's when I wanted to know so bad that uh that's when I had my first near-death experience uh the universe I think opened up and go do you really really really want to know and I go yeah I really really want to know so I watch what you wish for.

Uh although it was one of the best say gifts ever. Um but that first near death really allowed me to understand our potential of who we are. uh and that's uh I guess the beginning of um you know XI science uh where you know most things are like mindset more drive you know push harder and so on like that but this is more like no understand who you are uh and be coherent uh with your higher purpose or yourself this isn't anything religion but it's your highest potential who you could be in physical form uh so that's what the first near-death uh taught me so started from M thank you.

Thank you. And so you were mid20s. Yeah. When that happened. Do you want to share more about what happened? Of course. Yeah. Uh you know and again you know before that I think it's uh important to to I was you know um you know set uh or tailored uh to understand that near-death to use it as a catapult. So that first near-death uh is a college job and uh uh again searching for life the successful people that I was around and read you know it wasn't uh they weren't all that successful because they were still ill they were still sick they were still you know had a lot of problems that normal people have say uh the religious people the same way you know they still had the same problems at normal so it's like there's no difference you know I I wanted solutions to solve that and that near-death really allowed me and um uh it was a college job and I used to unload rail cars.

Uh so and inside these rail cars they have these moving walls and one of the this wall was stuck one day and um uh I got up. I was very athletic um still am. uh you know uh so I climbed up and started pulling up on top of the rails while my team members were pulling uh you know from the bottom and it just like this halfton wall just gave way uh and as it gave way you know I slid across the you know the rails inside the car and then what stopped it was my jaw uh it just like I just got crushed uh between the ceiling member and the wall.

So uh and I was dangling there literally by my jaw and that's where it was a complete disconnect from say physical form. So this is where I was like hovering so speak hovering and I was looking at say I'm looking at you right now you know and you know there's just physical separation. So it was literally like that. It wasn't say uh dreaming hallucinations. It's literally is just a complete separation of identity. It's like wow that's my what am I doing there if I'm over here that kind of deal. It was like a mere image but it wasn't a reflection.

It was like two separate identities and I'm going oh I'm dead. And that's where you know you just go into say higher states of consciousness uh without your physical form because you can't take your physical form into those realities. So uh in those in that reality uh you know you see or I experienced um I experienced not the first initiation uh a lot of people when they have near-death experiences they go oh I saw my you know my pet uh my loved one welcoming me that's like the initial phase this is like the third or fourth which is a more of a people call it a life review it's really not it's a life relive which is really cool, Pierce, because at that level, you know, you um time and space get distorted.

So, I was still conscious as I was going through the process. And um so the life review, it's not like you sit in front of, you know, an angel or God or something, uh and they go, "You did this good, but what the hell happened here?" You know, uh you know, we're gonna send you to hell and you know, that's all uh it's not like that. It's more like, you know, you went through life as a kindergartener. Now you're reliving, you're actually reliving life uh again as an awakened being uh like a PhD professor looking at your life going, "Oh, that's what's really happened.

That's why that." So there wasn't it it clears up any misinformation about, you know, why the hell my life is this way. It literally tells you why things are the way they are. uh which is quite amazing. So I started to understand say the logistics or the programming on why things happen you know say why good things happen to bad why bad things happen to good people and you know all those things that we talk about you know um so it demystifies say life for you and you go oh that's why my life is the way it is it's quite beautiful and the love that you've experienced there is uh is just raw love it's not uh an attached love.

It's not like conditional love and all those different definitions of love that we have here. It's just like brilliance and just beauty and grace who you are. It's really it's really quite beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. It's interesting. I think it reminds me of so my wife as I mentioned before we began she passed last year and she had had near-death experience in her 30s and after she came back from her near death hers was to travel through the universe to meet beings in the pyramids and be taught lots of different things.

Yeah. And but when she came back Mhm. you said that it was just like she'd moved almost come back into heaven. It was like everything was just so bright. Her cats went crazy kind of running around. It was like cuz she was saying she was kind of shining almost that love that pure love. Yeah. And she was saying it was just incredible going down into our town. And how was it for you once you came back? Uh it was quite beautiful everything. Uh well um physically my jaws were wired shut so I could only eat through a straw for like 3 4 months but um it was beautiful.

Uh things tasted very very different. There was colors and sounds that um can't be described. uh you know cuz over here in this physical form you're very limited to a narrow band of say colors that you we see right uh on that side uh you know I was seeing more so I was seeing this reality from a very very different perspective different p uh different say um different reality and and this is where you see more colors you see more depth you see frequencies behind people you know like the trees literally say talk to you not not like communicate with you but you understand say the underlying say framework architecture of how trees are created and you look at it and it's like damn that's ingenious you know it's like what kind of technology is this so I was you know obviously more technologydriven so I was just seeing the architecture of this reality and it's just like wow uh people do treat did treat me differently because it's like they look at you and and they even do now, you know, you have that presence.

Um they they look at you and it's like, damn, there's something different about this guy, you know. So definitely it's just gorgeous. Very very beautiful. And and that's what literally uh the science exponential intelligence science is about. How do you bring that beauty and grace and abundance into physical form? So because it it is a science. It is it's a straight out physics. It's it's more science worthy than the current sciences that we have today. Uh I say that because the current science that we have today uh really has a lot of holes.

You know, there's a lot of exceptions to pretty much any science that's out there. Um at that level of science, there's no exceptions to the rule. You know, like gravity, there's no exceptions to the rule. Gravity works exactly the same on everything. You know, uh, gravity, electromagnetism, you know, cell structures, all those things work like, you know, um, day in day out, you know, perfectly. Again, there's no exceptions to the rule. So, that's the level of science that, uh, you know, we strive for. or just even being human.

That's the level that you people need to strive literally. So there's no exceptions to the rule. You're not this person in this situation and a different person. You are of one resonance, you know, having different experiences. Yeah, that's really interesting about the science. It does feel my wife was when she kind of came back was from her near death was very inspired by science and went on a journey of researching lots of things and came across the work of Nasim Haramine who is basically fascinated she he worked with Elizabeth Rouser who's a Nobel Prize winner on this idea of unified field theory and you know my wife would say that at At the moment you've got big kind of physics and tiny physic quantum physics but they don't meet.

No. And the idea with unified which is what Einstein was trying to do was bring those two fields together. Yeah. Um there's uh if we can get into that it's a I see it a little different. I see the architecture of how things work or I see how you like for example resonate. I actually see say the your wife where she would be and I can explain all that uh for you. Um she oh your wife she's she's had um two near-death experiences actually uh from what I'm saying. So uh and it's always been fascinating for her. Anyway, um so so so you have um I I can read anybody, you know, past or you know, still living, but but you have like Newtonian physics, you know, and then Newtonian physics works really great until it doesn't, you know, until we go into the deeper layers.

And this is where like the quantum mechanics, quantum physics comes in. All right. So, so those two layers are there. But then um the next layer and that's what I I think Nim um I actually know him um not that well but uh I've connected with him uh personally um the next layer is actually that bridge layer between say time bound say space uh time bound say realities and the science and then say the the non-time space so the intelligence field basically uh so there's three layers that I and that last layer. So you've got uh um Newtonian physics and quantum physics and then I would call like uh pure physics, natural intelligence physics.

Um so so that is of no time no space. Uh that that's the inception say uh frequency that's where say the best way to put it is your thought is there's no density. It's just a thought. But you know as you say activate or put your intention on it it turns into say and manifests in physical form. So right so you have thought which is no time no space literally and then it turns into or it starts to say energize particles that quantum realm and then it manifests itself in you know work or you know what creation or whatever.

So, so those three layers. So, I like the unified theory, but this just goes into it a little deeper. Right. Thank you. Thank you. So, a lot of my audience, as I mentioned, you know, have either been to boarding school or had some form of childhood trauma. They might be in a position of leadership. I'd love for us to to kind of segue a little bit into that. Just this idea of you know if we have childhood trauma or we've been through challenges and coming at it from that idea of the exponential intelligence science of what are some of these steps that brings healing which kind of helps us move through that uh that trauma.

Yeah. So uh I actually do uh a lot of work with um uh people who are in the military, the Navy Seals, the Green Beret and you know even like higher level uh and you know you look at a lot of those people who have excelled in that realm you know and gosh most of them have had childhood trauma. So, you know, and you were talking like there's a lot of CEOs, high level leaders who've had childhood trauma and so what they do is literally they uh at some level uh you know they've got they're traumatized. So basically they go you know if I become a Navy Seal or if I prove myself my prove my self-worth then I heal my childhood trauma.

So it's always a performance uh initiative you know the harder I work or in the Navy Seals you know the more I destroy my body the more I can say control my body my mental state my mental mind uh and then it's good uh until it's not you know until you say um you know retire from the military and then you come back and you go that childhood trauma is still there it didn't resolve you know uh a lot of leaders are like uh you know they retire or as they escalate uh and there's literally mathematic equation on this. So say for example that you know for um for like uh three units or four units many many people who really excel you know in whether it's the military or leadership their trauma is literally like say 10 to 10 10 to 10 to 15 units.

So 10 to 15 units of say trauma equals one unit of success. So the more I can say use basically it's like this is my why to be successful. Does that make sense for you that equation so far? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So 10 to 15 units of childhood trauma equals one unit of success. Exactly. So, so what that means is like well I want 10 units of success and so that escalates what that means is that you would have to have 150 units of say childhood trauma to equal one unit of success. It's just literally logic. It's just logic systems or programming.

It's all math literally. So, so at that level this is where you see a lot of leaders um you know their nervous system you know starts to burn out. like how much more you know can I say abuse myself or abuse the world or abuse people around me uh to say create more and more success cuz that was their driver right uh for for the military folks you know it's like I I don't feel safe in my body my identity you know because I've been beat up traumatized whatever it is you know uh and the more I protect myself the more I understand to protect myself but but then again it's like how much can I protect myself because the issue is what's inside you not what's outside of you so so those individuals highly successful but their drive the reason why is the problem okay uh and that's a huge reason and this is where you know the nervous system just starts to break apart uh e even um um what's his the guy from Nibidia, the CEO of Nibidia, you know, he literally states that uh he goes to bed um Jensen Huang.

Yeah, Jensen Hang. Yeah. He went to boarding school himself, age 10, 12. He was badly bullied, actually. Yeah. So, he goes to bed uh and he's on, you know, he he's on interviews. He goes to bed fearing uh being broke at 30 days, being bankrupt. Now, Nvidia, I mean, it's a trillion dollar company. Even if you lost 90%. He's the sixth richest man in the world. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, but that's his drive. That's that's my point. You know, all those men, you know, your audience, look at just look at the equation that you're running success on, right?

So, it's the the same thing that gave you success is the same thing that's destroying you. So, so what you want to do and the reason why it magnifies for you is because if you're at that level of success, you know, reality is just basically telling you it's like congratulations, you're at this level of success, um you have to remove this trauma, but then if you've associated trauma with your success, you can't. It becomes one and the same. And this is where a lot of people say, you know, they start abusing themselves internally.

they start getting messed up like say Howard Hughes uh you know is like one and the same most individuals they'll create say duplicate identities where you know the traumatized person is over here back in the closet and then the CEO you know that's out there you know uh you know giving great speeches and you know uh rallying the troops is there and then they come home and they have to do something with the person in the closet, you know. So, so what we do in you know in exponential intelligence is like wait a second you know uh let's go inwards and it is one of the hardest things that people go through people who have gone through the military which we've had fantastic results you know even better than you know uh some of the psychedelics although um you know like Iba gain and uh DMT and you know ketamine you know to resolve trauma uh combined with XI or without XI, we get much better results because what we do is like, wait a second, let's look at the mathematics.

Let's look at the physics on how you're running your system and let's make it more coherent. Because when you're building anything through force, even love, uh it breaks. Uh if you look at nature Pierce uh nature doesn't use force it uses coherence which then creates force. So the more say coherent you are the more strength that you have. Uh and there's no weakness. What most men or what most people do is like I'm broken. What do I do to duct tape myself together so I stay you know solid or feel like one? It doesn't work at the higher levels, right?

Um and and I'll give you an example on how say realities work. It's not it's not like God is playing a trick on you or something, but you know, say that you're dating uh you like someone, right? And then you realize it's like, damn, I love this person. And then what happens as soon as you fall into that love stage or success or health or whatever you know that you're striving for because they're magnifiers. Uh as soon as you drop into that say love stage it's like oh my god what if she thinks that you know what if she doesn't like me what if she doesn't like my parents what if she finds out about my past what if you know all these say insecurities come through.

Okay. So, just like that successful individual, it's like, well, I'll hide I'll hide all those insecurities. I'll justify it. I just won't tell her about it. You can't do that to yourself. That's the only difference. You can hide all that stuff from other people, but to yourself, you know, right? And then that you go to the next level and reality is telling you basically it's like we didn't resolve this problem. It's it's going to be an issue. the the further and further you get away because the two identities are so different now.

So what what what you want to do is like wait a second I'm going to the next stage of love or success. Let me resolve these internal dialogues. Um and these internal dialogues appears come from you know genetic patterns how you know your aging uh what you inherited from your parents not just your looks but you know diseases and h how you're aging and um you know um social factors money how you see money and so on. Uh if you've been in boarding school, it's a huge issue. Uh because right there there's a sense of lack.

And that's why most leaders uh or most people who went to boarding school, let's say, or a high number are say leaders because there's a sense of lack or not being say complete enough to be wanted by somebody at a very very deep level or even say a fear of death. So it's like I better go do something. I better excel. I better show my worth. Uh that's the main driver of that. So and um you know if you're showing your worth, for example, when you achieve something um your value or your worth decreases because as soon as you achieve something, it doesn't compare to your worth at a higher level at your potential of who you are, right?

without your physical body. So, so that's the problem. So, this is where people go, I need to be I need to, you know, achieve or dominate the next thing. I need to go to the next thing. I need to go to the next thing. And and again, it's because your worth is always calculated. As soon as you achieve it, it's like, oh, um, compared to what I just achieved, I'm still lacking here. So, there's a, you know, a debit in your, um, in your, say, accounting. Um the other way is like I have value. Uh I know who I am at a very deep level just like I you know uh had in the first near death.

It's like oh that's my real value. How do I delete all those distortions of who I am? You know genetic patterns, generational patterns, societal patterns and then your lifetime experiences. So those are the key components that we work on. Deleting that and you go oh now I know who I am. um completely coherent, complete one, you know, solid identity, not fractured. Uh and then you run um you run with that. And this is where wealth really means something to you. It's not hollow. Thank you. Yeah. Fascinating. It is interesting how it kind of as you were speaking, it reminds me a bit of the work of Talbenar.

I see that a lot of leaders or people have had childhood trauma. It's the rat racer. He says this idea of the rat racer archetype always striving when we get to the top right more next next. Exactly. And he says the happiness archetype is yes have a vision go somewhere but also to enjoy the journey to Yeah. to enjoy the physical sensations like you said like seeing the colors and tasting the food and appreciating I spoke to a client today who's a founder and he was just saying right I'm going off for the weekend just really enjoying my family whereas a year ago he wasn't able to do that it was just a worry all the time yeah um yeah that's a it's not like an escape mechanism it's like okay I got to take a breather before I get back into that you know rat So, um, you know, in this case, you're still escaping, but you know, in instead of this rat race, you're going, wait, I I just need to take take a break, take a vacation, relax, and then I'll come back to it.

Um, but in in the real scenario, what you want to do is like, wait a second. um why don't I improve myself or enhance who I am or connect to my higher source of who I am that intelligence of who I am to um to engage uh in the physical activities of what I do so basically you're learning more about who you are as you say create an an empire most people again they lose themselves creating an empire uh and that's where people break down they need a vacation you know they burn out on that. So um so what you what you do is literally go how can I create an empire while defining who I am.

Uh and it's not about you know what your purpose is uh you know what your physical purpose you think is or you know like helping people and saving the whales or whatever that is. It's literally your purpose on how you render yourself in time and space. how close are you connected to your higher source, your timeless self? So, as long as you're reaching that goal and doing whatever that you do, um you really don't need a vacation, so to speak. Uh although that's the first step, uh you you would take vacations just to expand even more, not to get away or take a break.

You know, it reminds me of Echart Tully when people ask him about purpose and he says his primary and secondary purpose like primary is to be present like you just said you know how do I connect to this present moment and and then he says secondary purpose is this idea of yeah it might be for me my work around boarding schools or you know leadership but my primary is yeah to be present and it reminds me quite a lot of to Abraham Hicks's teachings or Abjan Brah some of the Buddhist teachers this idea of you know the purpose of life is happiness uh yes uh happiness is like a symptom of connection to source you know just like your wife uh she found true happiness if that makes sense to you she came back like whoa that was so great and she just glowed mode with happiness.

Most people view happiness as uh I'm going to do X to make me happy. I'm going to go to a movie. I'm going to go take a break. I'm going to enjoy something. You know, that's outside external happiness. Uh happiness actually comes from again how close are you? I call it literally say um you know your XIQ, exponential intelligence quotient. um how how intelligent are you to know that what you're doing is getting you closer integrated with your higher dimension of self. So just just like your wife, just like many near-death experiencers, they do come back with a glow.

They do understand more logic. Um right, uh they do understand the science and it and they work better that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happiness is an outcome, not a goal or a directive because then again it becomes forced. It's like like I'm going to go on vacation and damn it try to be happy. Like you know what I mean? It's like okay. Uh there's you know what Akarolei and you know the monks and the Buddhas uh they literally talk about that internal happiness where you're just in bliss, right? uh you know like Buddha for example uh he he he just didn't sit under a tree he didn't like force himself to meditate to get into those states uh he had a fantastic ability to get into those states therefore he can sit under a tree for for days cuz it was so beautiful out there you know in the state that he is in it's like guys just don't bug me a little bit um here you know just let me enjoy the presence.

Most people do it the other way around. You know, they'll force their meditation. So, what you want to do is connect to your higher self. You'll get gravitated to do a meditation and you don't have to worry about quieting your mind or anything because because you've opened an access a higher realm. uh and you know a lot of individuals even like say Elon Musk he's been reported you know to use uh you know uh psychedelics or Sergey Brin and all those great individuals to say escape this reality to find say inventions or logic or the next idea outside of themselves right so what we literally teach is like wait a second there's a physics to that and if you're going to use psychedelics to do that you can do it a lot easier and better the way we do it but basically That's what it is.

It's like, wait a second. Let me tap into, say, that higher consciousness as I'm in physical form. Let me expand into that. Again, it's not an escape. It's an expansion of into those realms. And you're just like coherent internally. Yeah, that's beautiful. It reminds me, it's a bit reminds me a bit of the archetypal work of Jung and people like Robert Moore. I almost feel like the child archetype, which I feel a lot of society is in, is like we're wanting happiness to come from outside. Yes. It's like I've got to have that, I've got to have that, that will then and then I'll be happy.

Whereas the adult archetype is I'm happy and then I give that happiness out into the world. So I determine a space and you know although I haven't met the Dalai Lama my wife went off to to meet him a number of years ago and she said as she came into Manchester the city she said she could just feel him [snorts] it was like this huge field he was giving off that happiness and it was like wow and it sounds similar to what you're saying there. Yeah, exactly. You you know um you start resonating uh with that frequency and then you are so you start resonating with wealth like the wealth that you are of your potential like when you're a kid for example you you you are you have limited potential you know that you have that limitless idea you could be anything right but then as we grow uh or we get limited it's like we start to go oh that can't be real you know and then the adults in society like dumb you down, you know?

So, so that that internal strength, what if we could hone that in kids, which is amazing, right? Instead of break them, what if we could hone them? And as we hone them, um, you could see amazing technology well beyond say the technology of today which actually destroys which is another sad thing because if you're a broken person trying to create say a technology to save humans, it eventually say destroys humanity. Uh if you think of it, anything that's been benevolent uh as a idea or a concept or an invention uh you know to save humanity is always turned destructive.

Um that's the reason why you're broken trying to fix yourself you know to go uh and most people they're broken and they'll go all I'm going to go save humanity so I can feel good about myself. you know, philanthropy uh and it doesn't work out uh because it just still shows you that you didn't fix yourself, right? So, so that's the key. But if you come from coherence and then you go create an idea, an invention or a company, you know, billion dollar company, whatever nowadays, a trillion, you know, your employees are more cohesive.

you know, uh you don't have to say force them to be work together, right? You don't have to have, you know, a thousandpage document on how not to steal, uh, you know, from the company and, you know, all those things that people do because it's not. It's just a reflection of that person that's broken that's creating that field, so to speak. Yeah. Do you see that? Because in my work, I've set up a company called Compassionate Leaders Global last year. Okay. from my work working with leaders and as I did a lot of research into leadership especially in the US it seems like it's really changing that emotional intelligence compassion not everywhere but in a lot of companies they're starting to bring that in more and more and I was speaking to someone yesterday who works British but works for an American company and saying that they're very driven but they have a lot of heart whereas the British companies that they've worked in didn't have that same level.

It was driven but no heart and I just wonder if you've seen that yourself in your work mass. Um I I have you know and you know people have you know they went from like really strong masculinity you know like destroy things and you know show them your power you know and then you went into uh gosh vulnerability performative vulnerability I guess you could call it. So, but that's still a performance and and you know, Pierce, neither um neither one of those say realms really produce grounded, say reliable men. They really don't.

You know, it's like, well, this didn't work. This extreme didn't work. I'm going to go over to this extreme. You know, the pro, you know, the problem is is that, you know, uh strength without awareness, uh is very very dangerous. And you know uh awareness without strength is useless. So that's what I see a lot of people you know there's a lot of strong men and then they put their emotional intelligence you know which is you know again a mental state uh it's not a it's not a frequency state uh it's more of a mental state.

So that person is still again broken thinking that oh I should be emotionally intelligent. You're you're acting out. You're performing emotional intelligence. You aren't emotional intelligence. Knowledge should just be resonate inside you. And that's coherence. When people look at you, you really don't have to say anything. You don't have to perform. You don't have to be the loudest in the room. You don't have to show your strength or how many yachts you have or whatever to go, I am this, you know. Um that person walks in.

It's like, damn, who who the hell is that guy? That's the kind of leader we want, right? It's not performance. It's just like, whoa, that's that's that leader and that's what we that's what we help literally build. Um there there's so many great men out there um that just do more performative type. You have to do this, you have to fit this, you have to wear that red tie with the white suit, you know, like Trump, you know, to show I am in power. But that's always like forcing. But a real leader is, you know, they're just so coherent that did the um like your wife, they just like resonate with power, right?

That's and that's what you really really want. That's so so you go from emotional, you know, uh emotional quotient, uh you know, first they had IQ, intelligence quotient. The smarter you are, the better. And then there's a lot of people who are highly intelligent but really messed up in the world, you know, because they can't stabilize themselves. There's a reason, you know, Xi explains that. Uh and then you got emotion, uh, you know, emotional intelligence, which again destabilizes because then you feel like you're, you know, in shackles.

It's like cuz you've got this thing inside. It's like, but I have to perform. I have to be kind. I have to, which is too. Um so you need to rise to you know exponential intelligence culture which again is more coherence. Thank you. I'd love to to kind of move in to you know you explaining more about this exponential intelligence. Before we do I just I'm reading a book called Captain Class at the moment. I'd love to read every day and it's I don't if you've heard of it. It's a guy called Sam Walker. I think he's the New York Times and he basically looked at the top a thousand sports teams in the world and he basically worked out what the top 20 teams were and he tried to work out what if there were any links linking them together.

Um and so he looked at was it they had a wealthy owner. I won't go through all the details but basically they found that the defining factor was the captain. the person who led the team, not the manager. And as you said, they were usually in the shadows. They didn't want to be known publicly. They'd be really hardworking. There's this idea in um the all blacks of sweeping the sheds. So they they would clean the sheds out. It's like very much what you've just said. Often the people who yeah are the best leaders aren't the ones who have all the you know they're the ones that are in the shadows working really hard and no one really knows they're there.

Yeah. They they don't uh and it's not like you can't be in, you know, on stage and everything, but what's your purpose? You know, uh do you want accolades or do you want say actual, you know, uh you know, improvement, right? Yeah. or benefit. So uh most people are looking for again look at me I am worthy of something. Yeah. Which often hides that wound I'm not I'm not lovable or something wrong with me. Yeah. Fascinating. And if you go deeper into that just just like scanning all those people. This is what I do for companies.

I you know I I help fast forward their you know um research and development. So, so just going into that book, so what you were talking about the people in the shadows, um, you know, they they they resonate, they've they've healed their internal wounds at a very deep level. So, they become more coherent, so to speak. And then those kind of people attract say young uh young athletes in this case um who want to heal their wounds as well. So that resonance of somebody say, "Hey, I figured out the the wounds uh and I've healed them for real.

I didn't put duct tape around them or bandage or release it." So that person that iconic person there uh it just resonates. They can be cleaning the sheds or anything. They don't they their presence is what say motivates that team. M so so imagine if you were uh you know CEO of well this good um good friend of mine now uh he's got 35,000 employees you know his employees as he's say put himself together clearly right uh his employees say resonate better they want to do better so so that's the kind of thing that's what you're talking about it's the presence you know um most people think it's an external presence No, it's not.

It's your frequency. Yeah. It's like that your heart, your internal Yeah. [clears throat] resonance and it's like are you coherent? Yeah. And I think yeah, I do see that more and more. We we had a screening of our documentary in the House of Commons on um which is the you know Parliament in in the UK and I could feel fear coming up and I knew that if I took fear into that space it wouldn't go well. So I had to really constantly go why are we going there and and really change what I was feeling. It turned into a really beautiful evening.

met some lovely people and yet also being aware of that. Do I go into fear, right? Or do I remember the joy and and why I'm doing it? And I really learned that from Michelle, my wife. So, she would always say, you know, what are you giving off, peers? I'm like, what? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. I love it. Yeah. So, I'd love for us to segue a bit into, you know, what are some of the practices? You know, what are some of the things you recommend to people? Obviously, I'll put the link to your website into the description so people can find out more about exponential um intelligence sciences.

Yeah. What are a few practices which help us come back into coherence? Absolutely. Uh so so one of the best things to get away is uh to get away from mindset because mindset is a creation of the four ingredients that I talked about what your identity is about uh again just overview uh genetics you know uh generational patterns societal patterns and then your life experiences. So those four ingredients create say filters of who you think you are. mindset goes hey you know this is who I am this is what I have to work with let me change my external environment okay so to get upstream to go upstream to the source of who you are that's what we're talking about the best way to do that is to spatial reference so this isn't about being present although it helps you become really present because again you move away from mindset so one of the simplest ways to spatial reference and this is just introductory spatial reference for you is to, you know, like say that picture is over there for me, you know, just just note that there's a picture there.

Notice the some of the details and then point a point on your body like your collar bone or your chin or whatever. So, it's the object and then a point on your body, something very specific, kind of like mind mapping. It literally is like a GPS because you're rendering yourself in, you know, in a a reality. So if your say GPS is a little off uh you're going to see your reality differently if that makes sense for you. So you can you've got your five senses. So do that. Uh you know uh if there's sound coming from you know somewhere it's like notice the sound the quality of the sound the details of the sound and then so and then a point on your body you know like your thumb it doesn't matter whatever it is just a specific point when you start out.

Uh notice the touch. Notice the touch on your clothes. Most people don't acknowledge you know or feel their clothes on their body. So over time, you know, throughout your day, just go, "Oh, you know, my uh I've got my ring on my finger." So pay attention to that. Pay attention to your clothes on your body. Notice how everything is basically telling you where you are in reference to space and time. Uh and then this if you do this just for a couple days, if if your audience just did this for like five minutes, five minute practice in the morning, okay?

Before any morning routines or anything like that, just do that. just look around you, use all five senses, you know, even the taste in your mouth and then an internal say if you're ill or something, you know, you got a stomach ache or whatever. Uh uh and then also scent uh you know, touch, feel, you know, the five senses. So if you did that for five five minutes a day, uh you would see how coherent or stabilized you are. You would start to separate your say story from your potential of who you are. Uh there's so many people that have done that and uh a lot of high level leaders they have ADD ADHD and you know they're a little autistic and so on like that.

It literally brings them back into say centered focus and they can actually overcome those issues and use it as a tool rather than an illness just by doing that. But as you get more adept and this is what we teach as well uh you start to understand oh I see where that person is coming from. So the person might be speaking but you see their frequency what their actual intent is uh in the back you know in the background you know you get to see their essence their actual intent um and as you go even deeper as you evolve into this space you know you can use spatial referencing and this is where like Nicola Tesla he goes into an altered state goes into and you know in his books right he goes into an altered state He he understands an invention.

He works it out there and then he brings it back into this reality. So, so you can use spatial referencing to go, okay, where's that next great big idea of mine to to enhance me and my company? And then you can go, oh, it's over there. But then how do you get there? You know, and that's what we teach is like, oh, so um, so, so that's what spatial referencing, but initial spatial referencing is literally about just just try out physical objects and then a body, your body part. Uh, I know it sounds crazy. But you'll start to observe that a lot of things that you are aren't you at all.

Just doesn't sound crazy to me. I mean, but I Yes, I heard many things similar. It's Yeah, it reminds me a bit of Joe Despenszer's work. that idea of that open focus awareness where we kind of open we're aware of a point and yeah you know um so yeah no that doesn't sound weird at all. Yeah. Uh yeah, I love Joe Despensza. He, you know, together with what we do uh works out really well. A lot of his uh clients, a lot of uh his clients are are are my clients and you know, and then my clients go into Joe Despensza's workshops and they're like literally the star students uh each and every time, which is really cool.

They're very complimentary uh frequencies. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other practices or anything else you can share that people could just like a simple thing because see that sometimes with trauma or people who come to me. Yeah. It's almost like be because of the childhood thing. It didn't just happen once. It happened over and over again. And sometimes the only way we approach it is through the mind. And it's very difficult to break out of that. Yes. And I know you talk in your work about this sematic like connecting more into the body.

Yeah. I'd love you to share maybe if you someone kind of is listening to this and like I've been trying lots of different things for years. Nothing's really working. What would you say to them? Yeah. So, so those individuals like you said, you know, it's not just like a one-time trauma. So you know we step back uh from the experience the physical experience or the latest say experience that we start to remember uh because trauma isn't in in the brain. Trauma uh the brain is just a processor. Um the trauma is based uh I would say in your cellular identity in your genetics you know that's where it's stored.

It's stored in your cells in your body so to speak actually each and every cell carries say an imprint of what happened to you for example. So with my abilities I could literally read you and go oh this and this and this and this happened. So anyway so what you do is like you can't say delete what happened to you in time uh but you can rewrite say the purpose or what you take away from that. So the way to do that one is you spatial reference. That's the first point where you start to separate you your potential from your trauma.

And then from there you start to go okay uh has this trauma happened before to me and then you go um does it resonate with say something my parents did or my grandparents or you know and then you start looking at your friends and you start to see say similarities on why you're friends. So, uh, and if if there's a situation that you're not liking, for example, uh, you might go as like, okay, how did I get myself into this situation? What frequency or programming was I running to get myself into this situation? Most people will try to do something external to fix something.

Um, in this case, uh, in this case, what you want to do is literally go, hey, you know what? Um, one if you have a problem like say um not making enough money or you have enough money but it just you know you still need to make more you still feel inadequate for example it's like okay what pattern is what pattern am I running that's making me feel this way so always start asking about questions about algorithms or patterns um the reason why AI is so intelligent is because it it doesn't understand the words that you're writing out.

It just knows the algorithms on how you put your words together. Okay. So, so what we do in in XI is literally go, okay, let's see the algorithm that you're using to put your life together. And it's radically fast. You and this is where people can heal themselves in like a 15 20 minute session. Sounds crazy, but again, they once you start to see the algorithm, it's like, what? That's the pattern I'm running? It's like, yep. And then you know as soon as you see it you you know your self-evolving mechanism automatically fixes it for you.

Um and then this is where you have to adapt your habits you know obviously to change. Thank you. Fascinating. Now so as we start wrapping up what final thing would you like to share that we really feel is important we've maybe not spoken about yet. Manti uh gosh, you know, there's so much potential. Most uh you know, most people really think that they're broken and they have to fix themselves. You know, if we start to understand that you're really not broken, uh you just don't remember who you really are. You know, you don't have to prove yourself.

You don't have to try doing X to stabilize yourself. You don't have to keep hustling. You just need to be really, you know, be um uh and this is where, you know, like an evolving man, you know, doesn't need to become louder or prove himself. He just becomes more undeniable. And the way you do that is literally by becoming more quieter of who you really are, your potential. Thank you. Thank you. So, how do people find out more about your your work, Rosanti? uh they can go to the XI code t-xic code uh cod.com. Um I also have a a YouTube channel.

There's a ton of uh free videos on why things happen the way they do. Uh it also showcases what how I scan people. Uh I can, you know, drill down exactly on what's going on with you or what's creating that drag for you uh in just seconds for you. Even if I don't, I I can pick up on your algorithms. Uh you can go to the YouTube channel if you just look up, you know, Xi Masati Masi. I'll put it in the description. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and there's a ton of like free content for you to learn from. It's very different than mindset or anything that people have done.

Thank you. I will go and have a look myself and uh thank you. I always love to learn. So new things like oh that's fascinating. So bless you for your work. Um thank you so much. I've really enjoyed the conversation and if I can support your work in any way please do let me know. Absolutely. And in the same absolutely well okay take care. Bye-bye. and the psychic.