The Human Side of AI with Bruce Randall

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Welcome to Incite Change Podcast, brought to you by Incite Coaching and hosted by Coach Mauro. Listen to health industry professionals and people like you discuss their fitness and health journey. Real people, real stories, real inspiration. Hello, everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of the Incite Change Podcast. This week, we have executive consultant in data and AI, the management of the relationship there. Bruce Randall, welcome to this Incite Change Podcast. Well, thank you, Mauro, and I'm pleased to be here today.

I'm excited to talk to you because you do have this sort of intersection of health and AI, and I think this is at the forefront of what's currently going on. Even in the health industry, a lot of stuff is becoming more automated, per se, so I'm excited to really chat about that today. Great, I'm excited too. It's one of my favorite topics. Now, we're gonna talk about the book that you have upcoming, but first, I want people to understand who you are as an expert and a little bit more of what you do day to day. Sure.

Well, every day, I meditate twice a day. That's part of who I am. Every day, I spend a lot of time on AI, because that's where everything is going. There's no stopping that right now. What I found is that there's an interesting correlation between the human consciousness and AI, the way it's being used in some instances, and that fascinated me. I spent time educating myself on that daily, because AI changes so fast, you have to stay up on it on a daily basis. How did you first come across that intersection, that connectedness?

That's a good question. When Neuralink did their first press release, and Nolan, who got the first implant, was able to move the computer mouse with his thoughts. He said, sometimes the mouse moves before I think about it, but it always goes where I want it to go. I said, well, I can move paper on my desk with my energy. It took me a couple of weeks to figure that out. I said, he can do it through a chip. So, you know, like Bernard Marr, who is in, who published a lot of books in his, a lot of boards to talk about AI in business, he put out a post on LinkedIn a couple of weeks ago.

He said, do you think AI will be sentient? And it was interesting. There was a pretty even split of no way or possibly. And this strikes me because I can move paper with my mind. Nolan can do it with his mind through a chip. So AI is going to be difficult to become sentient because it's software, but anything's possible. What we've done is we've short circuited that. We've put a chip in a human who is sentient and we're increasing the human's capabilities. So we're going in two streams right now. And to me, that's fascinating with, with all of the developments that are being done now and what I see coming in the future.

Do you feel like it goes more the sort of cyborg connectedness route or more the separate sentient route? Well, you know, it's, it's interesting because in, when you, when you meditate, you know, everybody has a frequency, even a tree and a rock and, you know, everything has a frequency because we all vibrate at a very high level. And so does AI software vibrates at a certain level. So if we can match the frequency, we can potentially communicate with it if we can understand what it's saying, because there's different languages.

And for us to understand that is, is a pretty big challenge right now. So I don't know how close we are to that, but there's a dotted line to being able to do it at some point in time. How did you first get into meditation? I was a bodybuilder when I was younger. And, you know, I had to train. I went to the gym. I was like 175 pounds and about a little less than 5% body fat. Wow. And every once in a while, I'd push too hard and I'd injure myself. So I'd go to the massage therapist that was in the club, and he barely touched me, but he did the most work to be able to get me to feel better quickly.

And if I couldn't get into him, I'd go to a sweetest massage and they'd have their elbows and their knees in my back trying to break the knots. And I'm like, I like the guy at the gym a lot better because they feel better when I leave, right? So I asked him, I said, Paul, what do you do? He said, I do Reiki with my energy, with my massage. And I said, I would like to learn what that is. So I took Reiki one with my wife and my son. And then a few years later, I took Reiki two. And they said to bring a teddy bear in, which I did and mine was about five feet because my son had a big teddy bear.

And they said, we're going to give you the name and the state of this woman and you have to scan the teddy bear and find out, it's like you're scanning your body and find out where injuries are. So they went around the room, I was last, and everybody got the hip, the hip, the hip. And I said, well, I said, obviously I didn't get it right. I got the hip and the heart. And he said, Bruce, you're the only one that got it right. So that was a huge boost of, I'm an analytical guy. I'm like, my God, I guess I can do this.

And then I took Master Reiki, and that took a year to get because it was very long and detailed with meditation. And that's how I went from finding out what it is to full scale to where I am today. And I've been able to heal myself, which is pretty amazing because this shoulder, I had three top doctors that said there's nothing left, it's a complete replacement. And by the way, we don't know why you're not in pain. And I said, I'm in pain because I manage it. Well, they said, when you're done managing it, come back to see us and we'll give you a new shoulder.

Well, today, this is my goods filter because I've healed it myself. And it just goes to prove that, medicine knows how to fix you if you're broken, and it's usually surgery, where they know how to give you pills for pain, but they don't know how to keep you healthy. And at my age, I'm not on anything, and I've healed a few things in my body that doctors just said, you need surgery, there's nothing left. Now, going from bodybuilding to Reiki and the sort of healing and such that happens, that's pretty big shift. Like, how did you marry the two?

Well, because I was working out hard and pushing on a lot of weights, I tended to pull muscles and so forth. So I just go to Paul often. And because he barely touched me, I just couldn't understand how he did that. And that's what got me into the energy work. And I just kept going on that because it fascinated me. And then I worked in software and got into AI. And that passion led me to MIT for data science. And then it led me to AI career boost to build an AI application that's functional. And I said, this is amazing.

Now I understand all of AI. I understand energy, meditation and our consciousness deeply. I said, let's talk about it because few people know a lot about either one of those. And they need to understand what the future may bring when those two merge. And that's what your book is about, right? That's correct. Tell us a little bit about what to expect when we get that book. Well, I'm going to tell people what consciousness is. It's within everybody. And I explain that to a point where everybody can understand it. Because it's innate to us.

We just have to look for it and accept it. And then we have AI, which is in body, and it's also all around us today. And it's an enabler to make us better at what we do. And then in the future, you know, quantum's coming up. And when all this starts to come together, where does that put us? What can we do? What can we do? What's it going to look like? And nobody knows the future. But I put, you know, some ideas on what I have as to what the future may bring. And the future, I believe, because of the speed of the development, is probably closer than a lot of people think.

Now, do you, do you see it? So my question, I guess, like, how does it get accepted by the mass first? And then I guess it goes beyond there. What's the entry point for most people to start to accept it and trust it? Because I know there's probably a lot of skeptics and people who are not trust really of the data or whatever you want to call it. Right, there's hallucinations in AI. And I always say, if it's important, trust and verify. That's why I, if it's important, I use a couple LLMs. I use perplexity because that gives me data sources with the results so I can check those.

And then I can ask questions, qualifying it. But I think where this is probably going to go is, people are trusting LLMs now and they have AI agents. I had my driveway sealed a couple of weeks ago, and I put in a request to have somebody contact me. And I got a phone call, and it was, I forget the woman's name, but she introduced herself. And I said, hi. She says, I'm contacting you about your request. And I said, thank you. And she started talking to me using my name a lot and giving me information. And I said, something's not right here.

I said, am I talking to a person or is this an agent? She says, my name's Clara, and I'm the customer service for this company. And my job is to make you feel comfortable with contacting us. And I said, well, when you're, I said, well, Clara, you know, I'll just use Clara. I said, well, Clara, I have questions that I want to talk to a human. Could you have a human contact me? She says, absolutely. And, you know, I understand the agents, and I caught some things that she was saying, but most people wouldn't have. And you wouldn't know whether it's a person or an AI agent contacting you, right?

So it's starting to blur now. And if a driveway ceiling company can use it, I mean, that's a pretty basic need, right? I mean, then you get into these higher level companies. And of course they have agents out there right now, it's just hard to determine where they are. So what you're saying is it's already happened, and maybe we won't even notice until it's so far reaching. Yeah, because if I didn't ask the question and I was on that phone call with a few, she was my name a lot more than a normal person would. And I just said, this something's wrong here.

And I asked the question, right? Because I'll ask any question, I'm not afraid. And I caught her. So in this chat box, you go onto a site, you have a customer service, and you're getting all these information. And if you ask if it's a person, they ignore it. And then finally, they may say, well, I'm an assistant. Okay, well, are you a person assistant or a virtual assistant? So it takes a while to get there. And so I guess it's going to be so far reaching. We won't realize until it's essentially everywhere. How do you see it benefiting people, let's say in the gym?

Because I mean, that was something that started you off before this all happened. Well, they have devices you can wear now. And they can monitor things that they couldn't monitor before. They can monitor blood pressure and a lot of other metrics of the body. So you can set your body, your device to certain limits. And if you exceed them, it'll let you know. For example, if you're working out, you don't want to exceed a maximum of blood pressure or you don't want to exceed a certain strength maximum that you know you can do.

You don't want to get too close to that until you develop enough to get to that. There's a lot of things that they can put in there. And that's an enabler that enables us to work out better and injure ourselves less. And that's being developed right now. And then you've got the ER, for example. My wife's a doctor and in the ER, everything is fast paced and based on memory, right? Based on your experience. And they don't have a lot of time to check things. Well, if we had AI that had all that data, they could give you some ideas that maybe you didn't think of, and maybe come up with another result.

And that, I can see a real benefit there in understanding that environment. And then when I was selling software, I went to a private company that did trading. We did the work on the weekends, and it showed me another side of the market, where you've got humans doing the work real time, and now you've got AI agents competing with the humans in doing the market, because they're with hedge funds and so forth that are using that to buy and sell. So the market is getting to a point where it's really hard, even if you use the charts, to, if you're too greedy, to make money on it.

You've got to go for smaller gains, because you're competing against other AI in there that's making trades also. You're saying in some ways, you'll be competing with them, not just working alongside them. Right. In some ways, you're competing with them unless you have an agent and then it's working with you. So it's a tool to enable us. And some people enable it to an extreme where others have to catch up to that. And they can get competitive and comparative market advantage amongst everybody else. And they have to catch up with that.

And that's why I tell companies, you've got to at least get into AI now, because if you don't in two years, you're going to be looking from behind of the companies that did. Do you feel like if they don't get involved in AI, they'll be left behind altogether? They won't be able to keep up anymore? Well, I think in the next two years, if they don't get into it soon, they're going to be at a disadvantage. And they're still going to be around, but they're going to be trying to figure out how to compete with this. Yeah.

And then slowly or quickly, that divide is going to increase. Now, there are exceptions to that in different businesses, but for the most part, those that are competing in the market, AI is going to help them. And for example, I can build an AI agent that will go out in conversations to bring people around to setting up a call to talk more details. And you can do that for any industry, any vertical. And these agents can communicate via text or via phone to do that. I've seen the text one work pretty well. The phone, of course, there's a lot more options on what you can get, so they're not there yet.

But in the text, it's there. And I've seen some people that have actually gotten pretty good opportunities from the agent that's delivered that to them. So they're doing it, the agent's doing it. Now you've doubled your outbound, which is going to increase your inbound. So it could be like a lead generation tool to start. Right. That's exactly what it is. Now, where it comes to fitness now and this data that's going back and forth, are there concerns about data privacy? You know, there's always some concerns in data privacy.

And if you have the checks and balances in place, that's really at this point the best you can do. But if you're wearing a wearable device and it's collecting that, well, you know, the company is likely is getting that also. And they can use that as in a group to try and understand how people are exercising. When I used it, I, you know, I had paper and pen, and I had a little book that I wrote everything, all my, everything I ate during the day. I was eating 4,000 calories of quality food a day to feed my body so I could build.

And that's like a second job in itself. Yeah. Now you see it like being able to... So do you think it'll replace some of these coaches and stuff? Do you think having this AI integrated with these technology? You know, I'm not there yet to think it's going to replace a person. I think it's just going to enable people to do more. But right now there's very few places where a person can be replaced because we have that, you know, the gut feel we get and the knowing that we get. That's something that AI is not going to have.

And that helps us a lot. You know, when you're really good at something, you just know things. Yeah. And you can have somebody that's learned in a book and is really smart. And the person that knows is going to do a lot better than a guy with the book smarts because he doesn't have experience in that. So that's the difference between AI and a human. Yeah. I think that feel is a big difference, especially when it comes to these interpersonal relationships like a coach or something. Right. Now, my biggest interest in this and how these two fields are merging is how it affects someone like myself who is a coach.

And right now, I'm using the tool to learn it and to integrate into what I'm doing, and help me do a better job, right? I guess I'm curious in your experience or in your studies, how far can an AI get into helping somebody through this journey? Let's say if it's a weight loss or muscle building or whatnot. Is there any limitations outside of the field that someone would have with working with that agent or that coach? Because I could see it being a cost-efficient thing to work with a computer instead of working with a coach or whatnot.

So what are your thoughts on that? Well, a computer is going to get you so far because it's got pure knowledge. And I'll give you an example. When I was bodybuilding, I was trying to trim up, right? And I talked to my coach and he said, here's a diet to trim up. And I said, that's more calories than I'm eating now. He said, but it's different. He said, you're going to lose weight with this. I said, I don't know, I'm eating more. How can I lose weight? But you know what? I lost weight because the foods I input were different and they didn't gain the weight, but that helps streamline the burning in my body.

That's counterproductive because most people look at that as I did and said, if I'm eating more, how am I going to lose? But that's how the body processes. So you have to have that understanding of the body and the experience to know the different body types and how the book says it works and how it really works. Now, AI can enable to get somebody closer to that, but I think you still need the person to understand that unique body because everybody's different. Right? Male and female are very different for gaining and losing weight also.

So you have to understand what you're dealing with and the personality you're dealing with and the psyche because that's going to make a big difference as to how they're going to perform. When AI, you know, they can get book smart, but there are so many combinations that a human can pick out. I'm not sure an AI is going to be able to pick that out anytime soon. I see. So they won't be able to get that co-direction for quite some time, unless somebody starts to build that library for it in some way. Yeah. Unless you take a detail test to say what the personality is, and then feed it to the AI.

How many people are going to do that just to work with the AI? Yeah, we're not there yet. Okay. That's a little assuring for anybody listening in and wanting to work with humans more than I think. This is something that AI really, I don't think, can understand the energy of it or what do you think? Well, AI has a frequency. Yeah. We all have frequency. On YouTube, you can go and listen to 963 frequency or 426 frequency if you wanted to get a certain effect from that. But we hear, so we hear the frequency when it comes to software, that frequency is emitting and we have to try and get to that level and connect with it.

And then we have an even bigger challenge. We have to understand the language. So there's a long way we have to go before I think that's going to happen. And that's why I said that putting a chip in somebody, you eliminate all that because you've got the whole human consciousness and you've got the chip in there and you've got the best of both, where they can hopefully work together to maybe accomplish other things other than just the signal to the computer. Maybe there's other things that can be done. We don't know because to my knowledge, they haven't tried or if they have, they haven't published it, but there's potential.

I'm wondering how it comes to AI and the crossover, human performance, stress, that sort of thing. How do you feel like modern technology affects our ability to stay consistent with our health habits, like in sleep, training, nutrition? Do you feel like it's going to help us or distract us? I think it's going to do both, and let me explain that. Because people that can regulate the amount of time they spend on something and they don't overdo it, they'll probably do well because they can regulate the time on the computer and the time doing human things away from the computer.

And there's people that also get lost when they're on the computer or on AI and they just keep going all of a sudden a couple hours ago and they say, where'd the time go, right? So, what I'm saying is that I was an amateur bodybuilder for 30 years, and AI wasn't here, but the computer was, and I came up from DAS and email to where we are today, in the thick of AI. And I realized back then that life was more interpersonal than it is now. I mean, you go to the store and you see people looking at their phones, they're not even looking around or talking to anybody.

And that's just like a vast example. I make it a point to get away from the computer and spend time doing human things that aren't connected, because it kind of keeps me balanced. And everybody needs some kind of balance in their life, right? Yeah. Because when we're balanced, we're happy. And that's physical, that's mental, and that's spiritual or whatever else you want to put in that, because everybody has different needs. But I really believe with the bodybuilding that I've done, and I've started a few businesses, one on my own, two with partners that I got funded and so forth, and I'm advising the companies now, that when you're healthy and feeling good, you do much better.

And there's a psychology to that. Because when you feel good about yourself, you feel good about everything else. And when you don't feel good about yourself, it reflects in what you do. Yes. So there's sort of like a feedback loop of sorts. That's right. It's your own feedback loop. That's correct. And when you were describing sort of the two types of people that are able to connect and disconnect, I was wondering, do you feel like it'll almost split where there's going to be certain people that are really doing thriving in a sense, and other ones maybe are bogged down by being so connected?

Well, I think that's a possibility, because I think even with the kids nowadays, you see those that are really, really highly connected, and you see some of those that aren't, and they're really quite different. So I think that there's different levels of that, because everything's not black and white, but the people that are connected and are in business and are using that in their business to help propagate the business, they're going to do better than the people who aren't using it in their business to propagate.

In the personal life, if you're using technology to augment you, you're going to be okay. And if you don't use technology, you're just going to be behind the curve, just the way it is. And in businesses, if any business isn't using AI right now, I tell them, get in at the low end, start with a feedback loop or an AI app or a bot, just to learn it and then grow from there. Because with any new technology or anything new, you've got to get used to it before you can work with it well. And as you're saying, we got to get used to it as part of our lifestyle.

I see the, I guess, the advent of implants and this kind of thing. Do you feel like it's inevitable that at some point we're going to be disconnected to AI instantly? Or what are your beliefs on that? I think in the foreseeable future, it's always going to be a choice. Because you can put a chip in your head, and it's great for paraplegics because they can think and operate the mouse. And sometimes when they think, sometimes the mouse moves before they have the thought, but it always goes to the right place. And I can move paper on my desk, put a pin in an eraser and make it spin around with my energy.

So I look at it and I say, we're doing the same thing here, one automated with the chip and one naturally. When you get into the normal people, and Elon said after the first implant, he said, if you're healthy and you can afford it, you too can have a chip. So at some level, that's a commercialization. And most people won't be able to do that because of the cost. Other people won't do it because they fear AI. And you get the smaller percentage that they say, you know, I'm going to try it because it seems really cool and I think it's going to help me.

And neither one of them are wrong. It's up to the individual. Now, you mentioned, you know, someone who's paraplegic, that would bring him, I guess, almost a return to life connectedness somehow, right? Right. I mean, I've been hearing some people, they're able to control their limbs at once. At one point, they weren't able to control. Right. On the sort of extreme opposite end, you see that human performance, like the Olympics and stuff, like with these neural implants, you see that playing a role in performance? Or like, what are your thoughts on that?

I think it can play a role in performance. I mean, they can put a small AI in your bloodstream, and it's tiny, and it can map your body from the inside. So if we can do that, I mean, and that's micro technology, what else can we do? Because that's already being done right now. So what else can we do that really disguise the limit? Humans have a lot of capabilities, and when we tap into that with what we've learned in one specific area, we can do very well. I mean, look at the past, look at how far we've come in such a short period of time.

Just another technology that we have at our fingertips that we can learn about. I mean, I've never built a program other than a website, right? And I went and built my first AI app in eight weeks, and it's functional, and it scans a website and sends an email report on what somebody can do to their website to come up more frequently in the local search. And that's AI driven, right? Wow. I'm building another one for my website that's a newsfeed for AI and consciousness. So that's coming into a newsfeed every day into my website, and I'm not finished, I'm almost finished with it.

But that's going to be a separate page on my website for AI news. And I think me who's never built anything other than a simple website to go in and do this, and I'm not a coder, right? I'm not a programmer, then I think anybody can do it because these platforms make it very easy to do that. So are you using AI to make AI? Is that what you're saying? I'm using AI to do the work that I would do and to keep it updated. Yeah. Do you feel like there's a role that being constantly connected? Do you feel like it plays a physiological role, a stress response, maybe?

You mean like, is AI monitoring the stress level? I would think I'd say you're constantly connected, and that might create a low level of stress that wasn't there before, you think? Well, we're based on frequencies, so that's how the body is set up. And anytime we have a device attached to us, it interrupts that frequency and changes it. So I think the longer we're attached or connected with the technology, it could alter our frequency, that's our normal frequency. And when you do that, the body reacts in some ways.

Sometimes it's very, very minor, sometimes you can't tell, other times you can. But I play on my computer while I work. I play a background of 432 and a couple other frequencies, which are the human frequencies, just to keep me in the good groove, so to speak. Now, what about at night time or what not, do you turn off your Wi-Fi, you turn Bluetooth, are you feeling like we have to disconnect it some way or what? Well, my office is on the opposite end of the house to what my bedroom is. So I bring the phone in, turn it off and charge it.

During the day, I'm in a mix, I've got five screens here, so I'm pretty connected. But I manage it so that it doesn't overwhelm me. So you're trying to say as far as you can, for the most part, when you're not supposed to be connected. Yeah. I do a lot of yard work, and so I'm out doing a lot of that all the time, which is staying connected. Monday through Friday when I'm working here, I'm here, and other than that, I just check my email on the weekends and that's it. I once had a mentor or coach that he was big on grounding and that sort of thing.

So he would suggest turning Wi-Fi off at night, for example, getting rid of Bluetooth devices, new screens, all this stuff. Do you feel like we need to get to that level or go that, I guess, in depth with this disconnecting? Well, we can ground in many ways. For example, we can go for a walk outside in the summertime, we can go barefoot. That's great at grounding us. We can do some gardening, whether it's in a pot or in a garden. That helps ground us and being aware of it, it also helps. You can be involved in all this like I do during the week, and you can still be balanced by grounding yourself.

It doesn't take a lot of work to ground yourself. You just have to go out and do something outside. That's fair. I want to shift the topic slightly, because I know you've spent decades studying consciousness and the connectedness and all that. I'm wondering, and bringing it back to your fitness days, your bodybuilding days, what role does identity play in transforming your body or your health? How do you feel like that consciousness has an effect on making changes? Well, it's interesting, because whenever you take better care of your body with nutrition and so forth, you respond better, and when you don't, you respond less.

Consciousness is not something that's based on the physical, it's based on the mental. At the same time, I started my Reiki training and I started my meditation training, and I was working on the inside while I was working on the outside of my body. And that tended to balance well, because I kept a very good perspective as I have right now. And to me, it worked out very, very well. My advice to anybody, if they want to improve every aspect of their life, is to go inside and get to know them, themselves. And I think meditation is the best way to do it, and there's many ways to do that.

But you just quiet your mind and you focus on your inner self. And that's really all it takes. And with practice, you can go quite far with that. Do you feel like with practice in mindfulness and meditation awareness practices, do you feel like people who have like maybe body dysmorphia or emotional eating self-sabotage, do you feel like it can help them? I think it can help them. I don't know if it will cure that, but I think it will help them. Because when you have these issues, there's something lacking. Okay. Whether it's physical, spiritual, or a combination of those.

And for example, with the meditation work that I've done and so forth over the last years, at this point in my life, I'm in no medication and I don't need anything because I'm very healthy. So for me, it's worked wonderfully because I'm in my low 60s and I'm not on anything. I don't need anything. And this year I'm carrying in 14 tons of pellets to heat my house with the two pellet stoves. And to me, it's just daily exercise. There's not many people that can do that. No, absolutely not. It's the balance of spiritual and physical.

So you feel like there's something more that has to happen to help them, I guess, cure, but they can at least manage some of the symptoms and some of the outcomes of that. Yeah, I wouldn't say cure, but I would say to help them manage. Because whenever you go inside and you develop your internal self, and I'll give you an example that will tell the story better than me. This shoulder, I injured at the gym. The cartilage sheared off. I had a rotator cuff, tear, bursitis, bone spurs, ligaments, and bone on bone. I had three top doctors, two in Boston, one in Providence, tell me, the only option you have is a replacement, there's nothing left.

I went to alternative care myself, which is acupuncture, Chinese work, and my own energy work. And this is my good shoulder now. It's healed and it works now. Now my point in saying that is, there's more than one way to fix the body. If you believe you can do it, and you do the things that you feel are right, and you give it the time, you can also heal yourself if you work on your inner self. That's cool. You're doing tests and everything, and it's almost like nothing happened to that shoulder? Well, I couldn't do anything with this.

I couldn't even sleep on it. It hurt. I came to a point now where I carry bags of pellets in, I go out and I cut trees up in my property. I do a lot of things with both arms, and I don't have any problems because I've allowed my body the time to fix it. Because your body can fix it if you want to give it the time, and if you believe you can, but most people are impatient and they just want it fixed, and they opt for the easy way. That's fair. It doesn't work on everything, but it works on a lot of things. In that intersection of helping people get better at AI, I've noticed a lot of AI coaching tools started to come out, and as they get better, my question to you, maybe selfishly, is do you feel like they'll replace human coaches?

I don't think they'll replace human coaches, because there's some people, part of coaching is the human aspect of it. You connect with the person, you have an understanding, you can read the person along with telling the person, so you're getting visuals along with verbals from your patient, right? AI is just giving information, period, that's it. So in my opinion, in coaching, the soft skills are as important as the hard skills. I see. So it's more like, yeah, you're saying the soft skills being something that AI can't really ever replicate.

Right. Not yet, anyway. Uh-oh, you said yeah. Listen, I give up on trying to predict the future sometimes, because AI has been here for how long and how vast is it now? It's only been a few years when it's been public, and look where we are. Yep, you're right. I was using Sara. They're going to make videos for my clients. So yeah, I get it. Um, now I really appreciate the sort of AI-supported coaching right now. I think it helps. But I think as you're saying, if without the human aspect, it so loses the soul and connection of it all.

Right. And that's what you feel like it probably won't be replaced. You're not going to make a prediction, but your instinct is that. But that's, that's the human connection that coaching requires. And you know, when, when you get feedback from AI, it's a mental calculation to figure out how to make it work. Where with coaching, it's both soft and hard and you don't get that with AI. Yeah. Fair enough. So I think I want to double check that, you know, there's anything that maybe is doing excited for you that you wanted to, to make sure that we brought up today.

I'll start with that first. Sure. Well, the, I'm, I'm advising on a company now that, that is absolute zero trust, cyber security. And we've signed up the government and we've signed up some large corporations. We haven't launched yet, but we're getting ready to. So we've proven that technology is sellable and introducible. Not AI based, which really impressed me, because this is something that is coming up. And in my opinion, in my decades in software and technology, this is the best I've seen and the best cyber security I've seen because it just doesn't let anything in.

And to me, that's unique. And you run into that once or twice in your lifetime. So to me, that's pretty exciting. And is there something that you would like to... So if someone's listening to our conversation today and maybe they're just diving into their own journey where it comes to maybe AI and bodybuilding and where that intersection happens, that paradox as the book that you're writing, what's sort of a final piece of advice you'd like to share with them as they sort of get started on their journey? Sure. My book is The AI Human Paradox, and that's my website, theaihumanparadox.com.

I talk a lot about this on there. There's free videos they can go and listen to. This one will be up there also. There'll be a news page on that also in the next month or so that's going to be giving daily updates on AI news that's coming out, the pertaining consciousness and AI. I think that's a good resource to go to. But you want to make sure when you get information that you go to trusted sources or you go to sources that you can verify. Because there's a lot out there and not all of it's valid. Yeah, exactly. Well, I want to thank you for your time and your expertise today, sharing everything that you have shared.

It's been a pleasure getting to know you a bit more about your bodybuilding career, about the intersection of software and AI. So again, thank you for sharing your expertise today. You're very welcome. Appreciate your time. Thank you for listening to today's episode of the Insight Change Podcast hosted by Coach Mauro. You can find the show notes and all mentioned links at www.healthyinsight.com/insightchangepodcast. Make sure to subscribe to our podcast, rate, and leave us some feedback. We appreciate you listening and trust we succeeded in our mission to Insight Motivation, Insight Passion, Insight Action, and Insight Change.